Nan’s Law
The worst murderers are the thrill killers.
While no killing is ever acceptable, it’s possible to understand at least what drives a sexual sadist or desperate criminal to slay someone. The ones that make absolutely no sense and cannot be justified under any set of morals are the killings where someone does it just to see if he or she can get away with it.
In January 2006, Christopher Richee pleaded guilty to murdering Nan Toder at a suburban Chicago hotel and received a 40-year prison term. The 39-year-old former hotel handyman could be out of prison in a little over a decade because of time he has already served.
Richee was convicted once before of plotting Toder’s killing and sentenced to a term of natural life behind bars, but his conviction was overturned after the appellate court ruled that evidence at his trial of other crimes introduced show to a common method of operation only served to inflame the jury against him.
Normally, one’s prior bad acts are not supposed to be brought before a jury, but Illinois law has a modus operandi exception that allows for mention of a pattern of criminal behavior so distinct that separate offenses are recognized as the work of the same person. The offenses need not be identical but must share features which are distinctive when considered together.
The state had brought up a series of burglaries that Richee committed, but the appeals court found that the trial court erred in admitting evidence of the burglaries under the modus operandi exception because they did not share with each other or with the murder such distinctive features that they tended to prove the defendant guilty of murder.
Although he pleaded guilty to murder, Richee handed out a statement to the media denying any connection to Toder’s 1996 murder.
“I stand here today and still maintain my innocence,” Richee wrote in his statement. “But as prepared as (my lawyers) are, I still have no faith in the system that charged me with the crime in the first place. I just can’t risk spending the rest of my life in jail for something I didn’t do.”
Keep in mind that this statement came from a man who once told his boss he enjoyed throwing cats into tree shredders. At worst that shows he is probably capable of anything, and at best it shows a very twisted sense of humor.
Toder was in Chicago for a training seminar in December 1996 and was alone in her motel room. Sadly, she had taken precautions to safeguard herself from harm — but she had no idea that there was really nothing she could have done to protect herself from a man whose sole motivation to kill was to see if he pull off the perfect crime.
Nan had turned down a dinner invitation from the president of her company, choosing instead to work out at a local gym and pick up fast food for a meal in her room. After entering her room, she placed her suit case against the front door of room, locked the deadbolt and probably considered herself to be secure for the night.
At around 10 p.m., she called her mother in Pennsylvania just to check in and the retired for the night.
Unbeknownst to her, Richee had been planning his crime for weeks. He wanted to commit the perfect locked-room murder as if this was some sort of Agatha Christie detective novel. Nan Todor was tragically a victim of opportunity. As head of maintenance at the motel, Richee had just learned that the next day a new lock system would be put in place that would allow the hotel to create a computer trail of entry and exits into rooms. The existing system did not have any tracking mechanism.
Nan was in room 227, which shared an adjoining door to 229, a room specifically adapted for handicapped guests and often left vacant. She requested a wake-up call for the next morning so she could catch a flight back to Florida.
Richee believed he was smarter than everyone else and Nan just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Nan went to sleep, not knowing that Richee had previously rigged the door between 229 and 227 in such a way that it would appear locked, but that would allow him to slip into the room to commit the crime.
Two wake-up calls to room 227 went unanswered on December 13, 1996 before the housekeeper and her supervisor managed to force open the door and enter the room.
There, they found Nan lying on her back on the floor between the beds, her body posed by the killer for shock value. She lay propped up on her elbows, her head back, and her feet bound by telephone cord. Her panty hose had been tied around her neck. The killer used a machete as his implement of murder. She was nearly nude, but there was no evidence of sexual assault, and the room appeared to have been burglarized. A bloody washcloth that contained DNA from someone other than Nan was left in the room. Prosecutors said Richee grabbed it from another room sometime earlier and left it at the scene to throw police off the track.
Police were summoned and Richee led them to the crime scene. Three times, the responding officer had to tell Richee not to enter the crime scene, but he repeatedly disregarded those orders.
The night before the murders, Richee showed up at the hotel despite the fact that he was off-duty. Using the pretense of turning on the Christmas lights, he showed up dressed in a dark sweater, jeans and white tennis shoes. The night desk clerk testified that the bright white tennis shoes struck her as being unusual because prior to that evening she had seen him wear dirty shoes. Richee told her that he got them for Christmas from his mother and rarely wore them. They then went to the back office to talk. Later, she saw Richee looking at the hotel’s computer, where he could determine which rooms were occupied.
She last saw him at 12:30 p.m. His presence at the hotel when off-duty was unusual, she said.
Richee was a suspect from the beginning, but there was no evidence to arrest him. It would take several years for detectives to piece together enough circumstantial evidence to implicate him in the killing.
On the night of the murder, he complained of a stomach ache and sent his girlfriend home around 11 p.m. Four days after the killing, she asked Richee if he had gone out that night after she left, and he said yes, he had gone out to buy a burrito.
He had previously shaved off all of the hair from his body except from his head. Prosecutors believe he did this to avoid leaving trace evidence.
A week after the murder Richee called a friend and told him that the police were going to search his house. Richee asked the buddy to remove a bloody towel from his bedroom, which he did. Later, the friend went to Richee’s house. He noticed that the machete that Richee normally kept in a cargo net was no longer there. Later, in the garage, he saw the blade of a machete that resembled the one he had previously seen in the cargo net, but the handle was missing. The friend asked what happened to the machete and Richee told him he was “screwing around with it and the handle broke.”
Most telling, when the friend asked Richee if he had “killed the girl,” Richee asked what he thought and, when the friend said “no,” Richee said “stick with that.”
The friend, however, eventually went to police with his suspicions and Richee’s perfect crime began to unravel.
Shameless Self-Promotion
I just found your site out of mistake but have been reading for more than 2 hours now, and when I read this one, it disgusted me in two ways. First, I thought what a low life this man is, and then after reading it again, I became confused. How was there no trace at all? If this is as horrific as I would think it would be, why wouldn’t there be any thing in this time of DNA? I don’t know, this one seems funny to me.
Comment by Jamie — 9/20/2006 @ 11:15 pm
1. ALL TWISTED FACTS
- Maids “forced in room” was never discussed until 3 years after the fact
- A disabled alarm was photographed and shown as evidence. It was A POLAROID .. when
the crime scene analyist wrote a book requiring all photos to be with 35mm film.
ALL OTHER PHOTOS IN THE CASE WERE 35MM!!!
-Victim bought 8 bottles of wine coolers that night…4 were missing..SHE WAS EXPECTING SOMEONE !!
-The bloody towel removal came 3 years later after the “witness” was arrested for drug posession…then came his bloody towel story !
- witness testified he saw a machete in the garage 2 days after the police searched it.. DID THE POLICE MISS IT ?? NEVER THERE !!!!
Comment by rude — 6/29/2007 @ 3:17 am
LOL = “Victim bought 8 bottles of wine coolers that night…4 were missing..SHE WAS EXPECTING SOMEONE !!”
You can’t be serious. Haha. Obviously you’ve never had a wine cooler. 8 wine coolers does not indicate in anyway that she was expecting anyone. All it says is that she bought 8 wine coolers and drank 4 of them before she was killed.
Comment by Lokey — 7/24/2007 @ 7:23 pm
i’m sorry, but I DO believe he did it!! I knew him a long time, and the stuff I went
through, not good!! There’s only 2 people who knew what happened that night and let me tell you
he’s a great liar!! I never even knew that he was putting something in my drink and it would
make me lose my memory the entire night…I found that out later. He could cover anything up,
but that’s my opinion. And he did have a machete, I know that. I can remember him telling me
“I don’t want you, and I want no one else to have you either”. Someone surely was watching over
me, but I truly feel for the Toder family for everything they have been through and their loss
of their daughter.
Comment by ginger — 7/27/2007 @ 2:09 pm
Lokey
1.She boutght 8 wine coolers @ 9pm.. had early morning fight,, she drank 4 ( confirmed by the M.E. ) but the other 4 along with its carrier box were not in the room.
THEY WERE MISSING !! TESTIFIED BY THE CRIME SCENE EXPERT ( Yes, I was in the courtroom for the entire trial )
I dont think she bought 8 to drink by herself ( she was a tiny woman )
But is possible..however not likely.
Ginger.. You know me.. and you know I have known chris much longer than you..
You cannot explain how zig saw the machete 2 days after the police searched EVERYTHING.
You know Chris was not an aggressive violent person towards people.
On fact not one violent incident was testified to.
p.s. I know at least 20 people with machetes.
Do you really think Mike could have fit throught Chris’s front garage window to get a bloody towel ? Yes the small window in front by the door.
I DOUBT IT.
EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING
1. fingerprints found on bathroom faucet not chris’ or the victims
2. Blood foung in the waste basket on tissue were not Chris’ or the victims
3. Blood found on a room heater didnt match them either.
(she was the only occupant of that room for the entire week..maids clean daily )
4. If she was attacked when she was sleeping why was she wearing a ROBE ?
5. why was the inside deadbolt not slide on ?
6. how can there be no trace of blood on chris,his shoes,his cothes,in his truck or on anything he owned anywhere ?
this was an extremely bloody murder ( I saw the crime scene photos )
I feel heartbroken for the parents.. i cannot imagine the horror or sorrow they have..and when I try my eyes swell up.. For them I hope there really is a heaven where there hearts can be fixed when they take thier place next to their daughter and live in the light of God as a family again.
But haveing said that I feel they were cheated earthly justice because they failed to punish the right person…
Think of this… Chris took a plea deal after they threw out the first conviction because the Judge said not one witness testified that chris had committed any violent act against anyone.
Chris then made a deal to pled guilty and get 40 yrs ( instead of life)
HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN LESS IF WITH THE PLEA HE TOLD THEM HOW HE DID IT..
INSTEAD HE PLEADED GUILTY AND TURNED TO THE PARENTS AND TOLD THEM HE DID NOT DO IT !!!
IF THE PROSECUTERS REALLY KNEW HE DID IT , THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE MADE THAT DEAL !
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF A GUILTY PLEA AND A JUDGE ALLOW HIM TO SAY HE DIDNT DO IT ?
Comment by Rude — 8/5/2007 @ 8:03 am
I really don’t know what to think anymore….there are so many stories out there! I kinda thought that he might’ve met her in Florida, he went there a bunch of times. As for the fingerprints and the blood that didn’t match his, this is the first i’m hearing about that. You also said that not one violent fact was testified to….what about when he tried to have his ex-girlfriend killed by an undercover cop?? It seems like he would set things up for other people to do his dirty work. Again, just my opinion, because I do remember some things. Also, I did read that someone did in fact go into his room and get the bloody towel and dump it somewhere but it was never found.
All i’m saying is that he was very sneaky and I wouldn’t put it past him.
He was always sneaky and I’m sure you know it, there were lots of things he did, robbing the miniature golf place and so on. He mentally abused me and i’m sure alot of other people.
Comment by ginger — 8/6/2007 @ 1:49 pm
1. If they did meet if fla. there would have been some phone records.
2.The supposed hire a hitman.
The day after a jailhouse plant put a sharpened popcicle stick to chris’ throat and told him he wanted Chris’ to give him money and he would take care of his ex (tricia). But Chris said he had no money. The plant ( a Cop) asked chris if he owned anything he could give him..hence the boat.
well the next day after I spoke to chris he told me about the incident and he knew it was a cop…
Chris never asked him to kill or hurt trish… Listen to the tape..it was played in court.
3. the bloody towel…. this little incident suppossedly was told to the police 3 years later by Mike who was caught in Hometown with drugs in his truck. the police held him for three days at 5 different stations as his lawyer tried to find him
Mike testified to the bloody towel in exchange for no drug charges. He was represented ny attorney Matt walsh.
Fact or deal.. ??
OH..AND THE OFFICER WATCHING CHRIS HOUSE AT THE EXACT TIOME THAT MIKE SUPPOSEDLY CLIMED THRU THE WINDOW DIDNT SEE HIM.
THIS IS THE SMALL WINDOW NEXT TO THE BREEZWAY DOOR..IF YOU KNOW THAT WINDOW..YOU KNOW HOW SMALL IT IS AND HOW OUT IN THE OPEN IT IS !!
Also, If there was a bloody towel there would have been blood transfer on something somewhere..especiall since mike testified that he removed the towel from a stack of clothes.
Comment by rude — 8/7/2007 @ 5:00 pm
Rude,
Are you still defending him on websites? Friends til the end…..I knew him briefly and he was a disconnect person. Any other suspects??? No one ever mentions any other….
Comment by sandra — 8/11/2007 @ 11:58 am
suspects
1. security guard unaccounted for during a 1 hr. time period that night
2. Florist owner asked victim to dinner on a couple occassions and was rejected
3. was seen talking to man in the golds gym before incident
such massive amount of stikres have always been potrayed to be a crime where the attacker was angry and known to the victim.
there was no evidence to show Chris and the vitim ever met in any fashion
Comment by rude — 8/11/2007 @ 11:03 pm
amount of strikes on the victim could just mean he liked what he was doing and got caught up in the thrill. Security guard would have needed more than an hour to commit the crime, stage it, leave, and clean the blood off of himself. Date rejection does not usually lead to murder, and does the Gold Gym use a check in system with an ID swipe card to get into the gym, and is there a way to check gym attendance?? Was there any followup with gym patrons?????
Hard to believe this is a conspiracy against an innocent man. “occam’s razor”, the most obvious answer is usually the correct one. With his history, he would have eventually escalated his behavior in regards to law breaking. His ex-girlfriend was/is in fear for her life as documented in police files and in a post with her name on it. Would an innocent man cause such fear in a person he had a relationship with?????
Comment by sandra — 8/12/2007 @ 1:47 am
lets look at some logic.
according to prosecuters Chris would have had to enter the room of the victim AFTER her body was discovered and disassemble the adjoining door lock, repair it and then reassemble it..all without prints.
Conspiracy ??
The lead investigator was once employed and FIRED by Chris.
I dont believe it was a conspiracy, rather they were unable to find the killer and took the easy route and fit the story to Chris.
i.e… original time of death was approx. 9pm. It was later changed to after 1am AFTER phone records provided by defendant would have made it impossibe for him to be there at the original time of death.
the was just over 1 hour of Chris’ time not accounted for between eyewitness and phone records.
So Sandra, if you are right about the time needed to kill then you would also have to conclude Chris could not have done it. On top of all the points listed perviously.
Comment by rude — 8/12/2007 @ 3:00 am
One strange fact not allowed in court because the defense was denied access to a news report.
This news report displayed a picture of a ball lock with the ball filed down to render it useless. The picture was taken from the discovery evidence.
However the crime scene expert testified that that lock in the room was not damaged.
In court all original doors,locks were broght in for demonstrations…
however the only lock not brought into court was the ball lock. ( only a similiar lock was used)
To me this indicates that the original one was manipulated to fit thier original theory.
This fact was never refrenced by anyone.. this smelled fishy..
Comment by rude — 8/12/2007 @ 3:20 am
Of all of the killings and unsolved crimes in Chicagoland, why was this case so important to solve that the police would frame an innocent man just since he was available to frame???? I read where “Rude” said the defendant once fired the lead investigator, but was losing a job such a tramatic experience that the lead investigator would risk his career and freedom to set up someone out of spite???? And is this investigator so important that the system of checks and balances would exclude him from suspicion for having a reason to accelerate prosecution of an innocent man???
Does the police department that was in charge of this investigation have any history of improper procedure/accusations of impropriety???? Are the main people involved still employed and are still investigating crimes???? How can so much evidence be tampered with and no one blows the lid off of it for profit or gain in this case???? A lot of questions for both sides. And no, I don’t believe that all higher authority(ie, the police, gov’t , etc) is true and just, there are too many innocent men who are exonerated later that no amount of later settlement would make up for losing your life for time spent incarcerated. Maybe someone could contact a group who deals in study of questionable cases who spend their time looking for injustice and justice in cases which lead to future exoneration due to case fraud for the defendant.
Comment by sandra — 8/12/2007 @ 6:06 pm
Political careers are made by solving crimes. This was a high profile crime of a pretty white girl whos family from P.A. was very well off in the auto junkyard business.
a high unsolved profile case would be a thorn in any DA’s future quest for political or continued career.
I do not believe a conspiracy occurred, rather they fit the crime to the only suspect they had.
Careers are not lost due to wronfully imprisoning of people. ( except mike nifong)
it is impossible to prove intent.
Comment by rude — 8/12/2007 @ 10:18 pm
also,
do you not agree if some points were allowed in reasonable doubt would have prevailed.
1. the lock
2. the robe
3. deal made to drop drug charges
4.time of death change
5. fingerprint and dna
Comment by rude — 8/12/2007 @ 10:20 pm
No, careers are not lost for imprisoning innocent men, but the tampering of evidence is illegal and can be proven. With d.n.a., it is a hotel, with tons of people in and out of every room, and there is no way every surface can be cleaned in every room. I have been to hotels where I spent a week at least at a time, and can find all sorts of stuff left behind by other guests and have not had proper cleaning done in severeal instances, especially in bathrooms. In regards to the robe, maybe she took a shower after consuming the wine coolers, and put on a robe, and fell asleep, knowing she had a wake up call scheduled.
Deal on drug charge and time change info, I cannot assume to presume anything as I only know about what has been posted on sites like this, not having been present in the courtroom . Again, I ask if the gym patrons were investigated. And your previous comment on “Let’s look at logic”, the whole case , in your opinion seems to have been illogical. With all of this suppressed info, would this not have been mentioned in the appeal also, besides the point of bringing up past crimes to incite the jury??? Again, a case for a “justice” research group to pursue. A perfect case to question procedure and implementation of judicial proceedings.
Not every case with a “pretty white girl from an affluent family” is solved in this country. Or left to rest after settled in questionable ways; ie: Jeanine Nicarico of Naperville and Rolando Cruz case as only one example. He was freed by a justice group after they pursued the case. Maybe You should get as group involved “Rude” if you truly believe justice has not been served. Either way, it is a very unsettling case. What it a crime of opportunity or an opportunity to solve a crime??? Makes one question many other cases prosecuted that had areas of gray. No wonder people oppose the death penalty, with cases being so questionable.
Comment by sandra — 8/13/2007 @ 1:14 am
no mention of gym investigation was mentioned.
your experience of hotel stay should also reinforce my opinion.
Do you really think it is possible to stay in a room for 7 days.. and on the seventh day fingerprints on the faucet do not include your own ? How could fingerprints of someone not in the room for at least 7 days remain while being cleaned everyday and none of the guest actually living there for 7 days.
would it be possible that room service did not empty the trash for 7 days and toilet paper with blood on it remained ?
The case was appealed, and conviction overturned because the prosecuters failed to show any evidence that in past actions were violent. They tried to connect stealing as an MO for the crime.
the apealt court disagreed.
however chris took a plea allowing him out in 2012, rather that chancing life in prison
and you cant appeal a plea.
Comment by rude — 8/13/2007 @ 2:17 am
ps..robe/wine coolers
WHERE ARE THE 4 OTHER COOLERS ?
Comment by rude — 8/13/2007 @ 2:18 am
Sandra..were you not banned from crimenews2000.com ???
Comment by rude — 8/13/2007 @ 2:19 am
Donate RJW, play Devil’s Advocate and don’t be rude, and Mapak and Jean will forgive. Moving on………….
Comment by sandra — 8/13/2007 @ 3:30 am
all men are sociopaths
Comment by rude — 8/13/2007 @ 4:43 am
Chris was a thief, we all know that…I would drive around in stolen cars with him (not knowing they were stolen) and he told me he had borrowed them. He was always coming up with large amounts of money…..LARGE!! He wouldn’t tell me where that was coming from, I think he didn’t want me involved in it. But how do you explain him shaving his whole body right before this happened, when you piece everything together, it sounds odd.
Why would he send his girlfriend home that night because he had a stomach ache, but then go out for a burrito????
Chris was also depressed after his father died, could that’ve done it??? Not saying he did it, but with all of this evidence, I just don’t know.
I heard that Mike had gotten into the side window (the one off the backyard) to retrieve the towel and threw it away in a dumpster. And yes, he always had a stack of towels in his closet, next to his bed.
It just makes no sense about the story of the undercover cop in Chris’ cell & wanting $ or whatever he had (the boat). Then the next day Chris tells his friend about it and says he knew it was a cop and offers him his boat???? Makes no sense at all!!
I knew he was always up to something, just not sure what (because he wouldn’t tell me) but then my car started to get broken into over and over and most of the time, I was with him, so thats why I said earlier that he had his friends do his dirty work for him.
No one is admitting that he did any wrong doings…..what about Trish and wanting to have her killed???? What about him drugging me and doing god knows what????
Comment by ginger — 8/15/2007 @ 1:51 pm
ginger..
I can tell you with 100% fact that it was the front window by the breezway door…
it sounds impossible for mike to get thru that…doesnt it ?
also.. we all know chris was seeing more than 1 girl at that time. I do not find it unusual that he did not want his girlfriend entering…
COULD IT BE THAT JILL WAS IN CHRIS ROOM WHEN TRICIA SHOWED UP ?
JILL TESTIFIED TO BEING IN THE ROOM THAT NIGHT.
how many weeks before the incident did chris shave. we all know hair grows back quickly. shaving weeks before really is no indication.
I know 3 friens of chris that would shave body hairs regularly.
the whole tanned weight lifting thing.
( his head was not shaved).
cHRIS ACTUALLY BROUGHT A BURRITO TO THE GIRL AT THE DESK WHOM HE LIKED.
As far as stealing stuff..
IF YOU KNOW CHRIS.. THINK ABOUT THIS…..
THE GIRLS PURSE WAS ON HER BE WITH HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS IN IT (VISIBLY SCATTERED)
AND NOTHING, NOTHING WAS TAKEN..NO MONEY,JEWELERY..NOTHING.
the reason the conviction was overturned was because the appealet court said stealing things does not fit with a pattern that would lead to violence and murder. especially in a case where nothing is stolen.
also, I would be curious what evidence you would know of where chris tried to have trish killed..
I was at all court hearings and never heard anyone other than the prosecuters make that claim.
The undercover tapes never,never had chris asking anyone to kill anyone.
The police have a letter chris wrote where he asks me to check up on trish and make sure she is allright and not being harrassed and to help her if there was anything she needed.
all I can tell you, chris knew from the very moment the undercover officer was put in his cell he was a cop. I visited chris regularly and he told me the very next day they put a cop in his cell.
If you knew the tactics used to get mike to testify about that towel, you would be shocked.
It was Mike chosing to testify about the towel of have his life ruined.
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Pat testified chris aked him to go into the room and remove his fathers gun collection.
Pat went to the door and asked his mom to get into chris’ room to take out the guns. Knowing chris’ mom she did not allow Pat saying if chris was not supposed to have these guns he should not have put them in there and he will have to face the consequences of his actions.
Then Chris called Mike and asked him. Chris’ Mom turned him away and there was a cop in in front of the house the whole time.
If Chris wanted a towel removed, why would he not have asked Pat ?
well, I tell you this.. Pat would have testified about the towel had he not made a mistake and revealed that the police were the ones that told HIM about a bloody towel.
Turns out the bloody towel was from jills period !! That is the missing towel.
Jill testified that she had sex during her cycle on numberous occasions and used his towels !
Of course people are admitting Chris had done some wrong stuff in his life. I have heard from close friends that he took things.
but never ever did he use violence.
I was in police custody and questioned extensivley. They told me things about Chris to get me to help them. I found out later they were blatently untrue. They quated Grand Jury testimony from other friends THAT NEVER EXISTED. ( they are allowed to lie)
There were threats made if some did not collaberate thier theory of what happened.true or not.
I respected the police before this, but after the threats on me and my family I have done a 180 and trust nothing they say. I would not make up testimony to help them and because of that they made my life hell !!
And even though I hung with Chris, I never stole anything or participated in any illegal activities, and because of this I was able to withstand the pressure and threats to become creative with my testimony. But is I had been caught stealing a candy bar once, I probably would have had to go along to prevent completely ruining my life.
The treats were very clear as to what they could do to me if I didnt go along. very,very clear.
Comment by rude — 8/16/2007 @ 1:00 am
asc far as chris drugging you…are you saying chris had sex with you and you were an unwilling participant ?
Did you ever report the rape ?
what drug was used, and were you tested for it ?
Comment by rude — 8/16/2007 @ 1:04 am
p.s. the machete
The original coreners report stated blunt force trauma like a metal (flashlight).
but that was changed years later when someone said chris used to have a machete.
a machete that was not there when the police searched the house, but reappeared on the garage floor 3 days later and seen by Mike. sure.. the police missed a machete on the floor..all made up stories !!
Comment by rude — 8/16/2007 @ 1:13 am
I have to chime in.
sitting thru the trial the only thing proven against Mr. Richee was he was a thief.
I did not seen pne piece of evidence that linked him to the murder.
I heard he stole money,he stole cars.
Mr. Richee’s attorney said it all whe he asked the judge to dismiss the case becuase every witness was there to say he was a bad guy and “bad guys do bad things”.
Many neutral observers in the courtroom were stunned that the judge allowed the case to continue once the prosecution rested. They had clearly failed to link mr. Richee to the crime. Every legal observer had no doubt Mr. Richee would have a successful appeal, and he did. Mr. Richee’s M.O. in prior actions cleary excluded him from this crime.
I understand why Mr. Richee took a plea, already having been sentenced to life without parole. Given a chance to be free in 2012 was the safest bet. Its a shame that the legal system focrces people to gamble on thier own lives.
If the prosecution had really know he was guilty, and could prove it, they would not have been so eager to make a plea, and if they had real evidence that he did it and they are letting him out in 2012, then they are putting the public in harms way and they are darelick in their duties.
Mr. richees lawyers failed to present any defense. they called only one witness.
They did this based on the premis that a defendant does not need to prove innocence.
However, there was ample opportunity for them to poke holes in the prosecution theory, especially how they claimed mr richee re-entered the room after the maids found the body and reassembled a locking mechanism in an adjoining door.
Im sorry, but the evidence does not point to guilt.
Comment by on the fence — 8/16/2007 @ 2:55 am
Yes, I know exactly which window, and maybe you’re right about the towel (blood from her period), but why would he try to get rid of it???? If they had it, no one would be talking about it right now!!
And he was violent, I know, I’m not going into any full details, but put it this way, he didn’t want me, but also didn’t want me to be with anyone else, and thats when it started, (the violence I mean) and not on me physically….my cars, friends cars or anyone that I was with!
And as for line 26….we were together, I was young, didn’t have anyone to talk to about it and no, why would I report it….we were a couple. Yes, alot of the time I was unconscious and had absolutely no recollection of what happened that night. All I know is that whenever I would completely lose my memory for the entire night, it was when we would go somewhere and drink….he ALWAYS made/poured the drinks for both of us. I’ve also heard things about it and seen it on tv, but never did I think he was doing anything wrong….it can’t be tested now….it’s too late. But I’ve drank alchohol for lots of years, and never, I mean never, have I EVER lost my memory….I can remember stories that he told me of what I did….I have no clue, that’s just not me!!! And the most embarrasing one is that his parents even witnessed this one time.
Comment by ginger — 8/16/2007 @ 5:32 pm
I wouldnt worry about being embarrassed..his Mom and Late Dad were great !
See.. but to jump from damaging a car, or anything else is a hughe jump to murder.
Chris and I were very very close and the police used this fact, I wont go into great detail, but if Chris did this..I would have known. There were signals were knew only to us to determine the validity of statements made. I would have known if Chris did it. and if I had found out he did do it, I would have led the charge to death row.
I know you might think that Chris was good at manipulating, and yes he was,..but I knew Chris better than any friends he ever had.
I am sure you know me, and I’m trying to picture you, but its not important and I dont want you to feel uncomfotable… do you remember Chris diving a silver grand prix with dark tinted windows ?
as far as drugging you.. I will say I had heard Pat make a comment about giving a girl a tylenol pm when she had a headach… this was another reason why Pat was not welcome around my house..
Also..again the Towel.. I do not believe Mike removed any towel..I base that on conversations with Mike and Pat.
My theory is that Chris had mention to people that if there was a towel with blood on it , that it would have come from jill. Now if it did exist I believe it was removed when the police performed a search warrant.
Pat was the one that told me that Chris was afraid the police thought a towel with Jills blood would get him arrested and be locked up until it was tested.
You would not believe what lengths the police went thru to get me to testify that Chris told me a bloody towel existed because I had made the statement that there might have been such a towel (heard from pat).
They went crazy, trying to get me to sign a statemnet, that I would be doing the right thing, that his mom told the grand jury she thought he did it, that he told people he did it and they already testified to it. I was toold that I would be doing the right thing to lock up a murder…
IT WAS SURREAL !
well, I asked to see the grand jury transcripts.. they said it want allowed…well guess what.. none of that testimony existed !
they hounded and lied to me to make me thing that if I signed the statement justice would be done.
I WAS STUNNED..I WAS FROZEN BECAUSE EVERONE THERE KNEW PAT TOLD ME THAT !
Trust me I was torn because if he did it, I believe he should die.. I am glad that I didnt becuase none of the things they told me were true and I would be responsible for helping them lock up Chris.
I could not believe all the evidence they told me they had..never existed
It was very conveniant that the towel was gone.
also, beside the window being pretty much eliminating mike climbing thru… how could this fact not be mentioned until 2 1/2 years after the crime.
Mike did not go into the police station volentarily and tell them. He was arrested in hometown for drug posession… so what on earth did that have to do with Chris.
Do you think the police blindly picked up mike.. no.. they waited till they had a way to blackmail him
when he was arested he was immediatly delivered to the state police investigating the murder.
If you are arrested for drugs you go to the local police station. ot to the people invasigating something different in another town.
Now after the arrest, he was brought to 5 different police stations over 3 days and was released after the bloody towel story was sealed.
that makes no sense..
Hypotheticall if there was a bloody towel, do you really think Mike would confess to something that would implicate him as an accessory to murder..
Comment by rude — 8/17/2007 @ 5:55 am
You have a lot of good points…..why would the towel thing come up after all that time, and why would Mike give that info up…..doesn’t sound right. If you’re arrested for drugs, you don’t bring up something like that to get you out of it.
His parents were great…they really were. and yes, I remember that car you’re talking about….you mean the one that he kept at his Grandma’s house???? I really can’t remember what kind it was, but it was a racing car, I can picture it. And you probably can’t picture me, only because I was so afraid of posting on this site, I used a different name. I do think I know who you are, just because I did know all of his really good friends.
And not to keep bringing it up, but it was no tylenol pm…..believe me!!! But, i’m over that, I just truely hope that he is innocent and hopefully someday soon, they will find the real murderer!!
Believe me, I know he would cheat on me here and there, but most of the time we had a really good relationship and when all of this happened, he called me and told me that the cops would be contacting me and I asked him, did you do it??? He said “NO”. Also, the story about his old boss saying that he used to (when he was younger) torture birds and cats….I just don’t believe that….I remember when his sisters boyfriend kept breaking her cats leg, and Chris was about to kill him. Don’t ask me why he did that, but that’s exactly what Chris told me. So no, I don’t believe he did that as a kid.
Comment by ginger — 8/20/2007 @ 1:51 pm
Chris’ boss also said she was surprised to see chris with clean gymshoes on..
I dont think I saw Chris wearing dirty shoes… he always had some dand white gymshoes.. I use to make fun of him that he was a prissy girl with his shoes.
Yea..chris was NOT into herting animals.. we had to stop and bring a big old german shepard that was hit by a car to the hymane society otherwise I would have had to him bitch about it all night.
I remember his sisters (ex) husband hurting the cats.. dont get what that was about.
well anyone who uses drugs to get with someone surely needs to pay for that.
The police did ask me about chris using ghb… I didnt even know that was the date rape drug.. they flipped yelling that I knew what they were talking about…. I didnt know what they meany until they used the words “date rape”
seemed odd to me bercause I hit the bars regularly with Chris and not one time did he leave with a girl he met, not once. So if they thought he was giving anyone ghb when we hung out it would have been pointless, cause the only one going home with him was me giving him a ride… and I know he didnt use it on me.
Do you know who Boober is ?
Comment by rude — 8/21/2007 @ 3:13 am
I can’t really remember the name Boober….only because all of you guys had nicknames….I’m thinking of just a few people it could be.
What I meant about his sisters cat was that her boyfriend bought her the cat and she called Chris a bunch of times and said that she saw him (the boyfriend) throw the cat against the wall and a few times, I can’t really remember how Chris had found out, but he told me that the guy was literally holding the cat and breaking its leg….again, not sure why, I don’t think he wanted her to know it was him doing it, but thats what i’m talking about when I said that I don’t believe that Chris used to torture animals when he was a kid….even when he had Mickey….he loved him.
About the gymshoes, I don’t ever remember him ever wearing dirty gymshoes….they were always clean (white) and new(er)….even when it snowed!!
Also, is that the car you’re talking about (in my last post)?
I did watch a special on tv about ghb….and it just brought me back in time….everything they said is pretty much what i went through.
Weird, but I trusted him and I truely hope that he did NOT commit this terrible crime.
Comment by ginger — 8/21/2007 @ 1:37 pm
The car you are talking about was a lemans that he had over by grandma’s.
You probably met Chris after 1989-1990 if I have my years right.
Reggies husband did kill off some cats.. I remeber her telling me about it after her divorce.
If Chris was violent, I am sure that it would have prompted him to do something to him.. but chris was always a person who didnt act violently by impulse..I know quite a few situations where he kept very composed where most would not have..
I know..dirty shoes..thats such a crock !!
There are many nights when I wish someone would have given me some ghb .. ( not that the use of it unknowingly is ok..actually doing that to someone seems quite bizarre..dont see the point of needing it..unless someone is really bad in bed and dont want anyone to know it)**kidding**
I was probably not doing the daily hanging around Chris when you were going out… unless you had a friend that was a teacher ??
anyway after 1990 It was either just me and chris hanging or we went up to Bongos or another club. Some of the guys he continued to hang with lacked the ability to grow up..if thats the way to say it…
I know Chris much better and probably one of the only ones the prosecuter did not want to testify.. A lawyer who was there when I went in front of the grand jury told them it probably would be better if I didnt testify against Chris.
I got into some yelling matches with those people…. I remember asking them why the girl was wearing a robe when she was supposedly sleeping in bed when first attacked…they jumped up like I had disclosed unrevealed information..they thought they hit a jackpot..until my laywer got up and told them that they showed my crime scene photos !!
IDIOTS !!! plus I pulled out a news article that stated it…
they were good at keeping discrete information..huh ??
How about the police finding computers at ziggys house that were stolen from a shop next to the tanning salon chris owned and ziggy worked at… they made a deal with ziggy if he testified that Chris gave him the computers they would not prosecute him.
heck..If I were faced with jail time with stolen stuff in my house..I would say anyone took it so I didnt go to jail…
I can say withalmost 100% certainty that chris did not do this. Like I said, Chris would have told me in some way, wether directly or with our own code. Trust me after what the police told me (later found out ALL false info) I thought it was possible… I did not let Chris or his family know what they told me ( and I spent a lot of time with the family at that point) and I was the only friend that saw him every single friday. I spoke with him, we had hundreds of letters while he was in cook county. I asked Chris in code if he did it.
He said ” you know me, better than anyone and you know i could never do this” “we all have done things that made us seem posessive with girls where we spoke in anger, but I did not know this girl. I have never seen her and would have no reason to hurt her. They are going to get girls to say a was a bad jealous guy. Of course I was jealous but I would never attack a girl”
” I would have not hit on that girl, SHE WAS TOO OLD”
That last sentence never was more true about chris !! she was too old !!
That whole hire to kill Trish was such a farce.. what person would ask someone to kill a girlfriend to someone put in a jail cell for 6 hours ?
nobody is that dumb..and I told you the rest about him telling me about the person the following day, before he knew it was recorded/
Comment by rude — 8/22/2007 @ 3:33 am
I met Chris and we starting dating in 1987 (I was in H.S.)…we dated for quite a while…years…had some break ups, but stayed in touch and so on. So, I probably don’t know or remember who you are, but you made it seem like you knew him since childhood, just a little confused.
I do remember him telling me that he hung out there (Bongo’s) quite a bit.
Do you still go and see him, or write?? I see he was moved far from here.
Was anything else ever brought up about the ghb….like anyone else saying it happened to them? Just wondering.
And I did find that post from that girl that said he hired someone to kill her….I will find it again and put it in my next post.
I completely understand about how you said about the cops harrassing you and everyone else!!! And it also makes sense that he shaved….I knew a few guys that went to gyms and shaved everything off (except their hair). I really don’t think they have anything on him except the burglaries or whatever. He’s to be released in 2012, right? That’s what I thought I read, and the sad thing is, is that if he truely didn’t do it, these last years have been wasted away. I just can’t believe that they could commit him and thats it….case closed?????
Comment by ginger — 8/22/2007 @ 1:43 pm
2023
not 2012
It was a mistype
1987 …hmmmmmm ???????
Ok I would have thought it was much later.. it was around that time chris would have been driving my car or motorcycle.. at that time he was hanging around steve,rick,chuck.. more than the latest batch of guys (pat,mike,ziggy)
Actually I havent spoke to Chris for a year or so for various reasons.
1987..now I’m stumped
Comment by rude — 8/22/2007 @ 4:51 pm
I thought they said 2012 because of time served…..wow.
Now, i think i might know who you are…..because your name is not on the list of guys, and yes, i knew everyone of them. Can you give me some kind of hint??? I’m sure you lived by him….did you have a long driveway? I will have to think about this a while. The car I remember was orange I believe (maybe rust color).
Comment by ginger — 8/22/2007 @ 5:26 pm
I dont think you know who I am…weird
email me and Ill tell you..dont wanna put up my name here
temp0681@yahoo.com
Comment by rude — 8/22/2007 @ 10:05 pm
I don’t give a crap what anyone says, the dude plead guilty to a murder. No innocent person does that..EVER….even if it does release him in 5 years. He plead guilty, so he IS guilty. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. The man is going to be known as a murder for the rest of his life. He won’t have anywhere to live when he gets out and no job. He is going to be right back in jail for killing off the so called friends that testified against him.
Comment by CRC — 8/27/2007 @ 10:36 am
I’m not sure what 16 year old girl doesn’t pass out after a few drinks and doesn’t remember what happened? If for all those years you thought you were being drugged and assaulted why did you stay with him? I’m quite certain it was not out of fear for your life or the people around you. To many young girls, Chris was a drug. Especially in 1987 when he drove Rude’s cool car and was out of high school sneaking into school dances with fake id’s. I can tell you from experience that Chris was not into drugging high school girls for sex. I can tell you that he wouldn’t drug you and then bring you through the house where his parents lived. If you feel you were violated, I am truly sorry you didn’t speak up sooner and face it at that time.
As far as animal mutilation. The man still grieves over the fact that his dog Mickey died and he was locked up in prison and never got to say goodbye. When his previous dog was hit by a car in front of his house and
he witnessed the whole thing, he was devestated. From friends and family’s pets to squirrels in the back yard, Chris was always compassionate. He couldn’t fish with his dad and clean them. So give me a break on the heartless cat killer bit.
We will never know the real story. Guilty or not, he admitted fault. He is serving his time and waiting to get out to hopefully spend some time with his mother again before she dies.
Comment by Divine — 8/27/2007 @ 3:28 pm
I hate to disagree with the comment about people not pleading guilty to avoid spending the rest of ones life in prison.
Chris pleaded guilty and proclaimed innocence.
The next time you spend 4 years in jail awaiting trial get found guilty because people came and lied about what type of person you were, with no evidence, and sentenced to life in prison without parole… then you can preach how nobody would take a deal to avoid being locked away FOREVER.
pleae explain how many people not just plead guily..but CONFESS and give an explaination how they committed the crime..and DNA later proved they had nothing to do with it at all/
I guess that never happen either..
whoever you are..you are extremely simple minded if you cannot understand why someone would not risk being locked away.
Chris could have reduced his sentence if he would have came up with a story how he did it..
HOW MANY PROSECUTORS AND JUDGES WOULD ACCEPT A GUILTY PLEA WITHA PROCLAIMATION OF INNOCENCE ???
IF THEY HAD ANY PROOF HE DID IT..THEY WOULD HAVE WENT TO TRIAL AND LOCKED HIM UP FOR LIFE !!
IT IS THE PROSECUTORS ACTIONS OF THE DEAL THAT SHOW FAULT..NOT CHRIS ACCEPTING IT
LOOK AT THE LEGAL SYSTEM AND YOU WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND ANYONE PLEADING GUILTY WHILE PROCLAIMING INNOCENCE AND IT IS ACCEPTED BY THE JUDGE.
Comment by fence — 8/28/2007 @ 2:48 am
The plea bargaining system can be abused. It can extract guilty pleas from absolutely innocent people who plead guilty to charges they did not commit because they can not afford the risk of going to trial.
“The major problem with plea bargaining is that it forces the party into a situation where they have to take a guess about what the evidence is, about how strong the case might be, and they have to make that guess against the background of enormously severe penalties if you guess wrong. So defendants, even if they have strong defenses, and even if they are innocent, in fact face enormous pressure to play the odds and to accept a plea. And the more likely they are to be innocent, and the stronger their defenses are, the bigger discount and the bigger benefits the prosecutor will offer them” (Schulhofer, 2004). Eventually at some point it becomes so tempting that it might be irresistible, especially when the consequences of guessing wrong are disastrous.
Comment by agreed — 8/28/2007 @ 4:15 am
Read into what I said. He plead GUILTY. So he IS guilty. No matter if he IS innocent. That whole convicted killer thing is going to be kind of hard to get rid of when he does get out. Plus, prison is all about rehabilitation, and an innocent man is not going to be rehabilitated at all. He is going to be filled with hate and vengeance. Trust me when I say I know the feeling.
This is an intriguing case, and from all the posts I have read so far, this man has friends that know more about the case than the prosecutors. I would be willing to bet that if he didn’t in fact do it, that one of his “friends” DID.
Comment by CRC — 8/28/2007 @ 10:18 am
Has anyone stopped and thought about the REAL victim here? NAN TODER?!? This guy Christopher was guilty enough to be put away in the first place, and there are zero other leads. He was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers right? Then he plead guilty the second time around. Even if this man is innocent, a really innocent woman was murdered in cold blood. Sounds to me like they got the right guy, and he could be released back into the world. It’s a shame.
Comment by Nan? — 8/28/2007 @ 2:24 pm
Google Christoper Richee. This is from the second link.
Bartlett examined the locks on the outside of the door to Room 227. He observed that the door had two locks on its exterior; an upper locking device that was operated by a key card and a lower locking device that was operated by a metal key. There were marks and partial damage to the lock operated by a metal key. Bartlett opined that the marks were made by someone inserting a screwdriver or other similar device and moving it up and down. Filings were found on the carpet in the hallway outside Room 227. Despite the damage, the lock was still in good working order.
Why would a guy with a key to the freaking room (which earlier said he used the key to show the police officer in) need to use a screwdriver to get into the room? Someone go get Grissom.
Comment by Duh.... — 8/28/2007 @ 5:18 pm
A “Friend” that committed the crime and not Chris? Wow! Now there is a theory that has been in the works by those who know this case well. Let’s just say that when one gets close to the truth, bad things happen. He took an oath to a group of friends as a teen. An oath someone on this list knows very well. He would never tell on you would he? He would rather sit in prison for something he didn’t do than to tell the world you did it? Maybe you planned it together? Maybe, maybe, maybe…..Where are you now?
Comment by Divine — 8/28/2007 @ 10:49 pm
http://chrisrichee.forumup.com
Comment by rude1 — 9/3/2007 @ 12:10 am
Wow! I am so glad Divine finally spoke the words I have been thinking. Ginger, you can’t seriously expect people to believe that Chris repeatedly drugged you and had sex with you, yet you NEVER said a word, and you kept going back to him and supposedly remained friends with him. Chris did not need to drug girls, he had them knocking down his door. There was always a line of girls wanting to date him. Give me a break. There is no way you can call yourself a friend of his either. Whether in the past or current, a true friend does not go around slamming other friends. As for the theory that a “friend” committed the crime, I am on board with that idea. Chris WAS, IS, and ALWAYS will be loyal to his friends. Unfortunately, he can’t say the same for them. So many of his friends turned their backs on him just to save their own. Yet, he never once turned on them. Maybe he shouldn’t be such a loyal person, then maybe he wouldn’t be in this position and the supposed “true” friend who is either behind this or planned it with him would be behind bars instead of free to be a nuissance to society.
Comment by Teach For a Reason — 9/3/2007 @ 3:14 pm
big problem with the friend theory…
first there would have to be evidence hat Chris was involved..so far there has been none
Comment by rude1 — 9/3/2007 @ 7:56 pm
http://chrisrichee.forumup.com/ DISCUSSION BY TOPIC ON THE SITE
CREATE YOUR OWN TOPIC ON THERE
Comment by CCR — 9/3/2007 @ 10:43 pm
Rude 1, Can I ask why you care so much? Aren’t you beating a dead horse? No matter how much you post, evidence vs. lack of evidence, you aren’t going to change the verdict nor people’s minds. Everyone has their theories and their own opinions. Chris was no angel. Chris was smart, too smart, and still is. He probably sits and thinks everyday, “How DID I get caught” or better yet “Why did I keep my mouth shut?” He was involved, one way or another. You know it, I know it, and so do a lot of other people. The question remains, who else was involved? Who baited him? Who did he cover for?
This was the perfect crime……no evidence. There never will be anything that directly links him or anyone else to the crime. I think you need to move on with your life. He has.
Comment by Divine — 9/4/2007 @ 3:58 pm
If Chris did keep his mouth shut he could easily make another deal if he gave information about anyone else involved.
THERE IS NOTHING TO SHOW CHRIS WAS INVOLVED..UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION REALTING TO THE CRIME.
YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE CRIME SPEAKING WITH CONFIDENCE THAT CHRIS WAS INVOLVED.
SAYING IT DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE..
BACK IT UP IF YOU CAN.
well divine you are also posting here..so maybe you too should move on..take you own advice.
There may be other motives for me to discuss this..such as a possible book.
I am trying to find alternative people who may have been involved. So far I have 3 other possibilities, none of anyone chris knew.
For a girl to buy 8 wine coolers @8:00 pm from the Jewel on 159th st. the night she was leaving , and to have 4 of the bottles missing is what really made me stop and think about the motve.
She was expecting someone…she drank 4 (acc. toxology reports)
the person who drank the other 4 obviously took them to remove evidence.
also
I will tell you chris would not have made it look like a robbery without taking the money in her purse or something from her.
If you really know Chris, you would know that !
Comment by rude1 — 9/4/2007 @ 8:33 pm
To save the integrity of this website, where people actually come to learn, the memory of Nan Toder, and the family of Chris Richee, I will refrain from speaking to you any longer on this subject. Remember, they all have computers. Even his mother. I would really hate for her to find out that you can Google her son and find you poking around on every website.
However, to answer your question, I do know Chris, better than you. Can you believe that might be possible?
Comment by Divine — 9/4/2007 @ 11:15 pm
I am sure there are a lot of people who know Chris better than I do.
I hope his family reads this and know there are people who truely believe that Chris is innocent and not afraid to proclaim that.
I do believe there is a great injustice done to Nan Toder and her family as they were led to believe Chris committed this crime.
I will guarentee that you, Divine, you do not know more about this case than I do.
Divine..you claim that you would not want his mother seeing ME poke around the web..
would she appreciate the comments by you that bad things happen to those who get close to the truth ?
Wold she like you saying Chris was involved in this murder with someone else.
If you know Chris as well as you say you do..you would know the one question you would need to ask him to determine if he committed this crime.(think you know ?)
I asked the question and got the answer..he didnt do it, nor did he have any knowledge of it.
Do you even have any idea how many facts were changed from the original report to the story told in court ?
Chris family know how I feel..they know I I thought for one second he did it that I would
be the first in line to throw away the cell lock and never let him out.
The reason I may be outspoke is that what the police told me during one of my long questioning actually made me believe that Chris may have done it.
After checking out the things they told me I found out they were flat out lying to me. They made crap up about him,friends and yes..even his Mom..
I can only imagine what they told the family of Nan Toder that wasnt true..or things they believe true but are not.
This is a tragedy for both families..both have lost someone they shouldnt have
It makes me sick that a witness had to testify that he climbed thru chris’ windo to remove a bloddy towel or go to prison..
those were his 2 options..the only ones he had…what would you do..tell the truth or spend 10 years in prison on drug charges ?
Comment by rude1 — 9/4/2007 @ 11:36 pm
if anyone wants to discuss it off this site go to
http://chrisrichee.forumup.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=b574adf1d2c6dfe4865581677dcca9a8
Comment by rude1 — 9/5/2007 @ 12:05 am
divine:
you do realize your computer tells everyone who you are no matter how many names you give via your IP address
which is—-
209.191.127.223
Comment by web enforcer — 9/5/2007 @ 3:32 pm
I was directed to this site by a “Divine” through an email to my personal account. Rude1, you and I go way back. The family knows what you have tried to do to help him. We all want to believe that he is innocent but it is hard when a person you have trusted your whole life lies to your face repeatedly. Even to his own mother. I think there is someone out there that knows more about this case than you do. Someone that maybe he didn’t lie to. Someone he confided in. And maybe just maybe, he really is truly innocent and he will be free again to try and pick up all of the pieces. This has ruined many elements of both families.
Comment by Family — 9/5/2007 @ 3:36 pm
Ok, divine and “family” if you know me, you do because of the name I used on here. It was intentional so those who know Chris , knows its me.
However, dont expect me to take you seriously as you wish to hide your identity from me.
If we go way back, you have my email address and at the very least you know how to call me./
it would not be to hard to identify yourself to me in a manner that only I would know who you are…
Just seems funny to me that “divine” said he/she was going to stop posting because it was possible the “family” would see this site and be upset…
so the following day “divine” emails the “family” and directs them to it
give me a break
Comment by rude1 — 9/5/2007 @ 3:55 pm
well if the family truely is from the family and we go “way back”..
email me @ teamrude@yahoo.com
unless you are falsely misrepresenting yourself.
Comment by rude1 — 9/5/2007 @ 6:57 pm
Divine:
Please look at the ball lock theory at www.chrisrichee.forumup.com
have you heard about this before ?
Comment by rude1 — 9/7/2007 @ 11:12 pm
is this forum closed
Comment by rude1 — 9/23/2007 @ 2:00 am
well..i guess its open, but havent seen any new theories or posts..
get the word out & sign up at chrisrichee.forumup.com
Comment by RUDE — 9/29/2007 @ 5:23 pm
a possible suspect is named at chrisrichee.forumup.com
Comment by rude — 10/14/2007 @ 4:20 pm
Donald Piper sounds more like the killer.
I hope someone finds out if he was ever in illinois.
Comment by wow — 10/22/2007 @ 3:44 am
So I am confused. I have drank my share of beers before and have purchased a six pack and drank 3 or 4 and left the others. That’s not evidence. That’s just someone wanting to drink more than one, and not six.
Comment by Drinker — 11/28/2007 @ 5:34 pm
RE : drinker…
Yes it is evidence….
this girl purchased 2 (4-packs) of coolers.
when the police arrived at her room there were only 4 bottles… the other 4 had vanished.
where did they go…
The logical conclusion is that another person drank the other 4 and took them when he left so there would be no dna evidence on the bottles.
I dont think a girl would purchase 8 coolers at 10pm to drink all by herself when she had a very early flight time.
But if she did purchase them all for herself…why did 4 vanish ?
Comment by rude1 — 11/29/2007 @ 6:43 am
RE: Drinker
Maybe it was buy one 4 pack get one free.
Or maybe she was an alcoholic and slammed 4 of them in her car and threw them out. Who knows. Where else can you get info on this case? Google doesn’t have much.
Comment by Drinker — 11/30/2007 @ 5:01 pm
no, she bought them at the jewel and there was no buy 1 get 1 free.
The autopsy confirmed her stomach contents and blodd alch level consistent with the 4 coolers and food she bought from wendy’s.
check www.chrisrichee.forumup.com
or ask me…
Comment by rude1 — 12/1/2007 @ 5:08 am
I dont get why this girl supposedly put suitcases in front of her door and yet didnt use the manual deadbolt..bad theory I guess.
Comment by comeon — 7/19/2008 @ 4:24 pm